At Climate Week 2025, the gap between climate tech innovation and U.S. policy has never felt wider. Claire and Dan unpack the week's biggest moments—from the president's incendiary comments to shifting ESG priorities, the rise of pragmatic energy realism, and how renewables continue to defy political narratives. Plus, insights from the Clinton Global Initiative and projects giving hope amid global backsliding. Hosts: Claire Broido Johnson and Dan Kammen
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00:00:03 --> 00:00:04 Climate Week 2025.
00:00:05 --> 00:00:06 Winners and losers.
00:00:06 --> 00:00:08 This is energy Matters with Claire
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00:00:17 --> 00:00:22 So while the US President called Climate Change a hoax, uh, during climate week.
00:00:23 --> 00:00:28 New York City of 2025, we found very clearly that climate tech and climate
00:00:28 --> 00:00:31 change policy are wildly far apart.
00:00:31 --> 00:00:34 Dan, tell me what you learned at Climate Week 2025.
00:00:35 --> 00:00:39 Well, so I think that the intro is, needs to be a little bit on what is
00:00:39 --> 00:00:43 Climate Week, and then maybe a bit more on what the president said.
00:00:43 --> 00:00:47 And not only did the president say what you just highlighted, but then the
00:00:47 --> 00:00:49 president went on to scold the Europeans.
00:00:50 --> 00:00:54 At the second day of climate week, he went to the un, the elevator.
00:00:54 --> 00:00:58 The escalator was turned off intentionally or not wink, wink
00:00:58 --> 00:01:00 to make his climb more difficult.
00:01:00 --> 00:01:04 And then he said that clean energy and immigrants were ruining Europe,
00:01:04 --> 00:01:07 and I guess he moved Europe into the category than his first term.
00:01:07 --> 00:01:09 He called blank hole countries.
00:01:10 --> 00:01:14 And so the incendiary comments were flying right and left at the UN side.
00:01:15 --> 00:01:19 What I learned at Climate Week, if I were to summarize it in one sentence.
00:01:19 --> 00:01:24 Was, there's a lot of cool stuff going on, but a lot of people are doing
00:01:24 --> 00:01:27 things a day late and a dollar short.
00:01:27 --> 00:01:29 Yeah, I agree with that.
00:01:29 --> 00:01:32 I, uh, Tom Steyer wrote it, well, he was spot on.
00:01:32 --> 00:01:35 He said The real economy doesn't care about ideology.
00:01:35 --> 00:01:36 It cares about what works.
00:01:37 --> 00:01:40 And you know, there's a lot of push right now to try to.
00:01:41 --> 00:01:43 Install more fossil fuels right now.
00:01:43 --> 00:01:47 The punchline is we're not gonna install coal or gas quickly enough to meet rising
00:01:47 --> 00:01:52 demand, but we can get our power from renewables and distributed generation.
00:01:52 --> 00:01:52 Uh,
00:01:53 --> 00:01:57 and for those you don't remember, Tom is both a billionaire and someone who made
00:01:57 --> 00:02:02 his money in hedge funds and ran for president and showed at the South Carolina
00:02:02 --> 00:02:04 primary that this man can really dance.
00:02:07 --> 00:02:13 I think one thing that, one of my major findings was that the discussion was about
00:02:13 --> 00:02:15 AI or artificial intelligence and energy.
00:02:15 --> 00:02:20 There was almost nothing about sustainability or ESG targets.
00:02:20 --> 00:02:23 Corporates and big tech were only in closed sessions.
00:02:24 --> 00:02:27 Couple of the learnings in addition to what I, what we just said about Tom
00:02:27 --> 00:02:33 Spire is Tom Steyer rather, is that the people who are winning from the one
00:02:33 --> 00:02:38 big beautiful Bill Act are lawyers and accountants because the laws keep changing
00:02:38 --> 00:02:40 and accounting rules keep changing.
00:02:41 --> 00:02:44 I learned that once again, people are talking about utility
00:02:44 --> 00:02:45 rates that are gonna increase.
00:02:46 --> 00:02:51 The Trump administration loves to blame renewables on that utility rate increase,
00:02:51 --> 00:02:54 and I wanna make sure that everybody who's listening to this understands that.
00:02:55 --> 00:02:57 It has nothing to do with renewables.
00:02:57 --> 00:02:59 It has to do with the Trump administration and what they're
00:02:59 --> 00:03:01 agreeing and not agreeing to.
00:03:01 --> 00:03:05 And I think folks in our industry need to get ahead of that narrative.
00:03:05 --> 00:03:09 And certainly renewables have not only not caused the price increases,
00:03:09 --> 00:03:12 but we now have data not just from California, which I think that.
00:03:13 --> 00:03:16 The current administration doesn't even think as part of the US may, whether it
00:03:16 --> 00:03:18 should be or not, it's a different story.
00:03:18 --> 00:03:23 But we have data from multiple states showing that renewables have shaved
00:03:23 --> 00:03:28 the peak, meaning they have been available when energy demand was high.
00:03:28 --> 00:03:32 So if anything, and certainly in some western states, clean energy
00:03:32 --> 00:03:37 has actually kept all of our rates low despite this DC narrative of.
00:03:38 --> 00:03:43 Fictitious, fraudulent, flaky comments designed to prop
00:03:43 --> 00:03:44 up the fossil fuel industry.
00:03:45 --> 00:03:45 Right.
00:03:45 --> 00:03:47 As evidenced by the state of Texas as well.
00:03:47 --> 00:03:48 Right.
00:03:48 --> 00:03:53 We have some data and we'll add some data to energy Matters world
00:03:53 --> 00:03:55 about what's been going on in Texas.
00:03:55 --> 00:03:58 But essentially Texas is over 30% renewable powered, and
00:03:58 --> 00:04:02 renewables are ensuring that Texans utility rates are staying low.
00:04:04 --> 00:04:08 Um, but I think another thing that I learned from Climate Week is that
00:04:08 --> 00:04:11 we're woefully unprepared for the brownouts and blackouts that are coming
00:04:11 --> 00:04:15 because of lack of transmission and distribution to meet increased demand.
00:04:16 --> 00:04:17 So two things kind of to add to that.
00:04:17 --> 00:04:19 One is that I think that's right.
00:04:19 --> 00:04:23 The dialogue and the meetings that I went to with one important exception that
00:04:23 --> 00:04:27 I'll get to in a little bit, we'll talk about in the second part of this episode
00:04:27 --> 00:04:31 around the Clinton Global Summit, which is kind of a bubble within the bubble.
00:04:31 --> 00:04:36 And a bubble that's doing some historical re-envisioning the past, but we'll
00:04:36 --> 00:04:43 get to that later, is that the global dynamics, that clean energy is now
00:04:43 --> 00:04:46 demonstrably cheaper than fossil fuels.
00:04:46 --> 00:04:51 Even a new clean energy power plant is better deal than an existing fossil
00:04:51 --> 00:04:53 plant, which is an amazing story.
00:04:56 --> 00:05:01 The mechanisms and the barriers that can be put in place of not just renewables,
00:05:01 --> 00:05:03 but new things are really large.
00:05:03 --> 00:05:07 And so one of the features that we talked about briefly in an early episode
00:05:08 --> 00:05:13 was that the more power that this administration puts in the hands of.
00:05:14 --> 00:05:19 Judges and governors who have no background in the energy field are
00:05:19 --> 00:05:25 really very carefully designed efforts to dilute what in the rest of the
00:05:25 --> 00:05:30 world is becoming an area really dominated by subject matter experts.
00:05:30 --> 00:05:35 And what the US is doing is running the other direction saying ideology counts.
00:05:36 --> 00:05:40 Energy, price, reliability, cleanliness, we really don't give
00:05:40 --> 00:05:42 a rats behind about any of those.
00:05:42 --> 00:05:42 Right,
00:05:43 --> 00:05:43 right.
00:05:44 --> 00:05:47 And it's clear, at least from the capital markets that we've
00:05:47 --> 00:05:54 over-rotated on ESG targets and you know, ESG as it once was, is now dead.
00:05:54 --> 00:05:57 Right, so CTVC uh said it.
00:05:57 --> 00:06:01 Well, the year this year crystallized a shift that's been building for the past
00:06:01 --> 00:06:07 few conference cycles, the final move from lofty pledges to pragmatic energy realism.
00:06:08 --> 00:06:11 Now, those with the power of the ones producing power or buying
00:06:11 --> 00:06:15 it or making it so we can get more of it as fast as possible.
00:06:16 --> 00:06:24 ESG are goals set by different companies to meet various sustainability metrics.
00:06:24 --> 00:06:26 We're gonna buy cleaner products.
00:06:26 --> 00:06:31 We are going to manage our supply chain away from microplastics or
00:06:31 --> 00:06:32 dirty energy or whatever it is.
00:06:32 --> 00:06:36 We're gonna establish an internal carbon market, and ESG means
00:06:36 --> 00:06:40 different things to different people, but almost every big company.
00:06:40 --> 00:06:45 Has an office and often a vice president or more that's focused on ensuring
00:06:45 --> 00:06:50 compliance or even innovation, although more compliance than innovation in this.
00:06:50 --> 00:06:50 Right,
00:06:50 --> 00:06:51 right.
00:06:51 --> 00:06:56 ESG is actually an acronym that stands for Environmental, social, and Governances,
00:06:56 --> 00:06:58 which is a framework that's usually used.
00:06:58 --> 00:07:01 To assess a company's performance on sustainability or societal issues,
00:07:01 --> 00:07:06 which might be human rights or employee relations or management
00:07:06 --> 00:07:08 and show of shareholder rights.
00:07:08 --> 00:07:09 There's lots of different ways.
00:07:09 --> 00:07:13 I mean, it's very, very clear that both the Trump administration and a lot of
00:07:13 --> 00:07:19 the capital markets feels that we have over rotated on ESG or environmental,
00:07:19 --> 00:07:20 social, and government's rules.
00:07:20 --> 00:07:22 And I just have to put in the opposite.
00:07:22 --> 00:07:27 And that is, I feel we've under rotated because each time we do these goals, and I
00:07:27 --> 00:07:30 wish these were mandatory, not voluntary.
00:07:30 --> 00:07:33 I think that's the big weakness that companies get to define whatever they want
00:07:33 --> 00:07:35 as their goals and then meet their goals.
00:07:35 --> 00:07:36 Surprise, surprise.
00:07:37 --> 00:07:40 But I wish that we had over rotated compared to this perspective
00:07:40 --> 00:07:46 because there's lots of interesting data that the more you look at.
00:07:47 --> 00:07:52 Cleaner and more streamlined and more local jobs or more clean product issues.
00:07:52 --> 00:07:56 We find that companies discover new ways to save money that they
00:07:56 --> 00:07:57 wouldn't have otherwise had.
00:07:57 --> 00:07:58 Right.
00:07:58 --> 00:07:59 I agree with that.
00:07:59 --> 00:08:05 And back to sort of climate week 2025, I think what was underscored to me from
00:08:05 --> 00:08:11 the business side is that data center and electrification of power demand.
00:08:12 --> 00:08:14 It is happening, right?
00:08:14 --> 00:08:19 And, and could be the forcing function for deployment of lots of clean firm
00:08:19 --> 00:08:23 power using storage and grid innovation.
00:08:23 --> 00:08:27 But you know, the Trump administration is pushing against that hardcore,
00:08:28 --> 00:08:31 and that pushing has some really serious features.
00:08:31 --> 00:08:32 So in early October.
00:08:33 --> 00:08:37 The current US administration, which is all I can ever bear myself to
00:08:37 --> 00:08:42 call it, announced the cancellation of just about $16 billion of
00:08:42 --> 00:08:46 projects that were all authorized under the Inflation Reduction Act.
00:08:46 --> 00:08:52 And surprise surprise, over 90% of those cancellations were in blue states.
00:08:53 --> 00:08:58 Whereas, interestingly enough, when the Inflation Reduction Act was designed
00:08:58 --> 00:09:02 and then implemented, the goal was to put the majority of those projects
00:09:02 --> 00:09:06 in red states because many of the blue states had already moved ahead,
00:09:06 --> 00:09:07 so they didn't need the lift up.
00:09:07 --> 00:09:15 So essentially, a bill that was designed to send money from red to blue states.
00:09:16 --> 00:09:21 Is not happening anymore, and the current administration is targeting
00:09:21 --> 00:09:24 really relentlessly the projects in those states that are actually best
00:09:24 --> 00:09:26 able to use the money they're getting.
00:09:26 --> 00:09:30 Meaning the states that have already invested in clean energy standards.
00:09:30 --> 00:09:36 Efficiency goals, ways to implement electric vehicles, all manner of
00:09:36 --> 00:09:42 things have really taken a a, a, literally a $16 billion hit from this
00:09:42 --> 00:09:44 administration just in the recent past.
00:09:45 --> 00:09:49 And despite a lot of what's going on, the data still suggests.
00:09:50 --> 00:09:51 Interesting things, right?
00:09:51 --> 00:09:57 So in the Solar Energy Industry Association or c's latest Solar
00:09:57 --> 00:10:02 Insights report, they note that solar accounted for 56% of all new
00:10:02 --> 00:10:05 power capacity added in early 2025.
00:10:06 --> 00:10:11 So even despite a lot of what the Trump administration is trying to do.
00:10:11 --> 00:10:15 It, you know, we're still seeing that solar is a mature long-term
00:10:15 --> 00:10:19 asset that reduces costs and strengthens grid resilience.
00:10:19 --> 00:10:25 Um, meanwhile, electricity demand is projected to rise a ton by
00:10:25 --> 00:10:29 25% by 20 30, 70 8% by 2050.
00:10:30 --> 00:10:33 And solar and storage are the fastest, most affordable
00:10:33 --> 00:10:34 solutions to meet this challenge.
00:10:34 --> 00:10:37 So we're sort of beating a dead horse on this one.
00:10:37 --> 00:10:40 But, but our, our industry, what was became very clear to me from
00:10:40 --> 00:10:44 a business perspective, not, which obviously impacts policy, is that our
00:10:44 --> 00:10:48 industry needs to align and continue to advocate for bipartisan energy
00:10:48 --> 00:10:52 leadership that recognizes that renewables are the solution, not the
00:10:52 --> 00:10:54 scapegoat for rising energy costs.
00:10:54 --> 00:10:56 And I really, I really desperately hope that.
00:10:57 --> 00:11:02 The powers that be can make sure that the narrative becomes
00:11:02 --> 00:11:03 renewables or the solution.
00:11:03 --> 00:11:07 Renewables are not the problem for rising utility costs.
00:11:07 --> 00:11:13 And I think a nourishing aspect of this narrative is it's not just a broad blanket
00:11:13 --> 00:11:17 statement that, oh, renewables are good and they're being given this bad wrap.
00:11:17 --> 00:11:23 It's that one of the aspects of the current policies is cutting us
00:11:23 --> 00:11:27 companies that align with what the administration is saying, which is
00:11:27 --> 00:11:28 not an unreasonable thing to do.
00:11:28 --> 00:11:30 A company that can make a choice.
00:11:30 --> 00:11:34 Should I make more clean energy projects or should I launch them
00:11:34 --> 00:11:35 versus staying in fossil projects.
00:11:35 --> 00:11:39 A co. A company that is listening to the administration.
00:11:40 --> 00:11:44 Is cutting itself out of the global market because the global market is
00:11:44 --> 00:11:46 totally going in a different direction.
00:11:46 --> 00:11:49 And so it's sad from a competitiveness basis.
00:11:49 --> 00:11:54 And we saw of course recently that the latest US job reports are
00:11:54 --> 00:11:59 showing yet again under a Republican administration, some record losses
00:11:59 --> 00:12:02 compared to prior times, and it's.
00:12:03 --> 00:12:09 Very sad to see those companies that really follow the federal lead
00:12:09 --> 00:12:11 losing market opportunities overseas.
00:12:11 --> 00:12:17 Whereas everyone else, China, Europe, South Africa, Brazil, are jumping in at
00:12:17 --> 00:12:21 these opportunities that US companies could have filled, but they're not
00:12:21 --> 00:12:23 because they are not part of this.
00:12:24 --> 00:12:24 Transition.
00:12:25 --> 00:12:30 So that's probably a good segue, Dan, to the Clinton Global Initiative,
00:12:30 --> 00:12:35 which was a big subset of what happened at at Climate Week, not
00:12:35 --> 00:12:36 something a lot of business people.
00:12:36 --> 00:12:38 Well, certainly, I, I didn't attend.
00:12:38 --> 00:12:40 Um, and a lot of business people didn't attend.
00:12:40 --> 00:12:42 A lot of other important people did, but the Clinton Global
00:12:42 --> 00:12:44 Initiative was founded by.
00:12:44 --> 00:12:49 Former President Bill Clinton in 2005 to bring together leaders to
00:12:49 --> 00:12:52 develop and implement solutions to big, huge global challenges.
00:12:53 --> 00:12:58 And you, the attendees, had to commit to taking specific, measurable
00:12:58 --> 00:13:00 actions, addressing big issues.
00:13:01 --> 00:13:04 Um, you were there, I believe, the whole time.
00:13:04 --> 00:13:07 So tell me, you know, what did you learn?
00:13:08 --> 00:13:11 What are you most concerned about and what are you most hopeful for?
00:13:11 --> 00:13:12 So, that's right.
00:13:12 --> 00:13:14 This is, like I said in the beginning, a bubble.
00:13:14 --> 00:13:15 Within a bubble.
00:13:15 --> 00:13:19 It's a bubble I happily dove into, but it is certainly a
00:13:19 --> 00:13:20 subset, although a big subset.
00:13:20 --> 00:13:25 It occupied a very prominent central place, uh, whole hotel at the meeting.
00:13:26 --> 00:13:29 Um, and, uh, president Bill Clinton.
00:13:30 --> 00:13:35 Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton and Dr. Chelsea Clinton were the masters of
00:13:35 --> 00:13:41 ceremonies at the shows, and it tends to be a celebration of innovative.
00:13:42 --> 00:13:49 Pro Human, pro Justice, pro DEI, diversity inclusion, equity projects.
00:13:50 --> 00:13:55 Um, and I did attend the whole time, and actually one of my teams
00:13:55 --> 00:13:58 got to present their project, and so it's a project in Kenya.
00:13:59 --> 00:14:04 In Kibera, which is the biggest slum or low income settlement, depending how
00:14:04 --> 00:14:09 politically correct we're being settlement in Nairobi, and a project called the
00:14:09 --> 00:14:16 Human Needs Project, which is a women's focused urban center, serves between
00:14:16 --> 00:14:18 500 and 700 women and children a day.
00:14:19 --> 00:14:23 And it's a safe place to do washing and laundry and bathroom facilities
00:14:24 --> 00:14:26 and learning skills like building apps.
00:14:27 --> 00:14:30 And a green store, et cetera.
00:14:30 --> 00:14:36 So we were able to present a plan and commit to a plan that was funded by
00:14:36 --> 00:14:43 donors in Denmark and donors in the US and some local partners in Kenya to build
00:14:43 --> 00:14:46 a second facility like this in the same.
00:14:46 --> 00:14:50 Um, low income or slum area, and this is no small slum.
00:14:50 --> 00:14:53 This is a million people packed into a tiny area.
00:14:54 --> 00:14:59 And so it was great fun for me to see our team presenting and to have our team
00:14:59 --> 00:15:06 leaders from Kenya either present in person or, um, zooming in to highlight
00:15:06 --> 00:15:09 everything we've done from very clear.
00:15:10 --> 00:15:14 Very pure water that we're pumping from deep underground that we're
00:15:14 --> 00:15:18 using in our own facility and providing free to the local schools.
00:15:19 --> 00:15:22 Urban agriculture that we're doing also on local schools.
00:15:22 --> 00:15:27 In fact, the biggest high school in Kenya called Olympic School is the direct
00:15:27 --> 00:15:34 beneficiary and to watch very different groups present their versions of the same.
00:15:34 --> 00:15:37 I listened to talks by groups that were using.
00:15:38 --> 00:15:44 Smart AI systems to have drones not go bomb people in areas.
00:15:44 --> 00:15:48 This is happening around the world today, but de-ice airplanes and
00:15:48 --> 00:15:51 windmills and tractors and roadways.
00:15:51 --> 00:15:57 I saw companies that were being put together to build solar all over,
00:15:57 --> 00:16:02 um, irrigation canals in India and in parts of Southeast Asia.
00:16:02 --> 00:16:08 I saw interesting efforts put forward by Native American communities to build
00:16:08 --> 00:16:14 mini grids to power homes, and I saw a great deal of effort put around.
00:16:14 --> 00:16:17 How do you use new technology?
00:16:17 --> 00:16:23 Not to alienate people or to disempower people, but to make E-government.
00:16:23 --> 00:16:29 Can you get your driver's license, your passport, your local title to land?
00:16:29 --> 00:16:32 Can you get those things whether you live in a city or not?
00:16:32 --> 00:16:37 And so to the center left community, and some people would just say the center
00:16:37 --> 00:16:39 community, because this was hardly.
00:16:40 --> 00:16:41 Radical.
00:16:41 --> 00:16:45 All of those things were bubbling around and you couldn't stop 10 feet
00:16:45 --> 00:16:49 without meeting another cool project, all of whom were also bemoaning
00:16:50 --> 00:16:52 where the US is turning to at moment.
00:16:53 --> 00:16:53 Disappointing.
00:16:54 --> 00:16:55 Disappointing.
00:16:55 --> 00:16:58 I mean, I think another thing was Secretary Clinton marked the 30th
00:16:58 --> 00:17:01 anniversary of her remarks at the UN World Conference on Women.
00:17:02 --> 00:17:03 As I understand that is correct.
00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 Yeah, which is so interesting and so cool.
00:17:06 --> 00:17:09 And there's lots more reports on priorities critical to advancing
00:17:09 --> 00:17:13 the full and equal participation of women and girls in the 21st century,
00:17:14 --> 00:17:18 including in the areas of democracy and human rights, technology, economic
00:17:18 --> 00:17:21 participation, and conflict and climate.
00:17:21 --> 00:17:22 So Amen to that.
00:17:23 --> 00:17:27 So one of the really interesting things that comes up from walking around Climate
00:17:27 --> 00:17:32 week is you meet all of these really creative innovators, looking for partners,
00:17:32 --> 00:17:37 looking for support, and one of the things that I was really proud to pass around.
00:17:37 --> 00:17:42 Was a book that was recently published by the University of California Berkeley, and
00:17:42 --> 00:17:49 it's somewhere between a factual story and a factually accurate piece of propaganda.
00:17:49 --> 00:17:50 Take your pick.
00:17:50 --> 00:17:54 Um, it's a book called Startup Campus, and it highlights the fact that not only
00:17:54 --> 00:17:59 is uc, Berkeley, now number one, and has been for a couple years in launching
00:17:59 --> 00:18:01 new startups, many of which are in the.
00:18:01 --> 00:18:06 Clean energy space, but maybe more interesting across the spectrum is
00:18:06 --> 00:18:11 that what they find from an extensive survey across much of Silicon Valley
00:18:12 --> 00:18:18 is that the startups that have diverse leadership, meaning ethnic minorities and
00:18:18 --> 00:18:22 women, those startups raise more money.
00:18:23 --> 00:18:28 Raise more money on time and meet their self-described and the goals
00:18:28 --> 00:18:33 set by their investors ahead of those that are not as diverse.
00:18:33 --> 00:18:38 And so there's a complicated story about, you know, how does that take part?
00:18:38 --> 00:18:42 But I'm not surprised at, because diversity in companies tends to keep
00:18:42 --> 00:18:47 them more on target than those where it's, I guess I'll use the term, an old
00:18:47 --> 00:18:49 boys club of people who know each other.
00:18:49 --> 00:18:52 And so it's at least gives me hope.
00:18:52 --> 00:18:58 That when the US returns to sanity, there is a lot of built up excitement
00:18:58 --> 00:19:01 and opportunity that we could be building on pretty quickly,
00:19:01 --> 00:19:02 but we've gotta get out of this.
00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 Death spiral we're in right now.
00:19:05 --> 00:19:05 First,
00:19:05 --> 00:19:06 yeah.
00:19:06 --> 00:19:06 Yeah.
00:19:06 --> 00:19:08 Back to the Old Boys Clubs.
00:19:08 --> 00:19:13 I, I, one thing that was encouraging about Climate Week 2025 in New York
00:19:13 --> 00:19:16 City was simply that there were a lot of girls clubs or women's
00:19:16 --> 00:19:18 clubs being, being set up as well.
00:19:18 --> 00:19:22 So, you know, there's still, there's still the complex of being the only
00:19:22 --> 00:19:26 woman in the room, but, but it's becoming much less so over time.
00:19:26 --> 00:19:29 So I think, Dan, we're gonna end here with that.
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